Resultat 1 till 3 av 3

Ämne: adjusting idle speed and ignitioin timing

  1. #1
    Sugmotor
    Reg.datum
    nov 2017
    Ort
    Luleå
    Inlägg
    15
    Medlem#
    -

    adjusting idle speed and ignitioin timing

    I bought a 900 1988 2 liter kat in the north of Sweden with 180000km I drove it 5000km to my home in Spain.

    I got the car in a barn and I had to replace the distributor on site, I didnt have the time to make a proper adjustment of the idle speed and the ignition timing on site. I could drive the car 5000km without not issue and also I got the car to the anual inspection in Sweden and they didnt say anything about result of gas analysis, so I asume that the ignition system shouldnt be so bad.

    The thing is that now in Spain I want to change the sparks, adjust the idle speed and the ignition timing.

    I got some questions

    1REgarding the adjusting the IDLE speed my car has an idle speed off about 1200rpm so I asume that I have to adjust the screw located in the throttle housing. Is that correct? can anyone point in a pic where is the throttle housing?

    2 Regarding the ignition timing I understand that I have to point with an strobolight to the flywheel and check that the rotation marks are aligned. But, can anyone point where is the flywheel in my car.

    And the last question is what should i do first, adjust the idle speed or the ignition timing?

    Regards

  2. #2
    Steg 2
    Reg.datum
    apr 2009
    Ort
    Stockholm
    Inlägg
    2 887
    Medlem#
    11937
    In this forum, I would say there are not that many users with experience of og900. You're more likely to find people with knowledge in
    https://saabklubben.se/forum/

    Nevertheless, I have some input and comments to what you wrote:
    1. First of all, is it a 8-valve (B201) or 16-valve (B202) engine? Both existed in 1988 and have completely different engine management systems so depending on your engine type you will get different answers to your questions.
    2. Don't draw any conclusions on the car passing the Swedish inspection exhaust test. Up until model year 1988 exhaust inspection only tests CO and the limit of 3.5 is very high - it is the same for cars from the 60s without catalyst. You need to have a major engine issue not to pass the exhaust test in a MY1988 car. From MY1989 the CO limit was lowered to 0.5 and tests on HC, lambda and high idle CO were introduced.
    3. Why do you want to adjust the ignition timing (it should normally not be needed), do you have some kind of issue with the car besides the high idle? I just want to ensure that you fix the actual problem and not something else...

    With this said, I'm guessing that you have a 8-valve engine, simply because it was more common than the 16-valve engine in 1988 and also because it has a tendency to behave strangely. So, everything I write from now on is assuming you have a 8-valve engine (B201) with calalyst.
    The B201 engine was initially designed without catalyst - the injection version of the car gave 87kW. Then exhaust regulations around the world forced the introduction of an "add-on" lambda regulation system with catalytic converter which lowered the output power to 81kW. This system is called KE-jetronic, a variant of K-jetronic.

    The KE-jetronic has a tendency to get spooky - since it has a regulation loop consisting of a parallell fuel regulator that adjusts the fuel mixture based on lambda-value of the exhaust. If that loop does not operate properly, you are likely to get an incorrect fuel mixture at certain points in time - even if the mechanical settings of the engine are all correct (that's why I asked you about why you wanted to adjust the ignition timing).

    There is a method to test, control and adjust the regulation loop - but how it works I don't know. I remember reading on internet foras at the time I owned such a car myself (see my signature), i.e. ~10 years ago, about certain workshops knowing how to do the work. Exactly how it is done I never managed to find out at the time - but KE-jetronic exists in other cars than saab 900 so it should be possible to find skilled people to do the job outside the saab-sphere.

    Under all conditions I recommend you to ensure the KE-jetronic system is well trimmed before you start fiddling with ignition timing, idle speed e.t.c.
    Tidigare: Saab 900i -88, Saab 900i -89
    Nu: Saab 9-5 aero -04, Volvo S70 -98
    Härnäst: Ren elbil. Dagsnotering: Kia Niro EV

  3. #3
    Steg 6
    Reg.datum
    feb 2005
    Ort
    Stockholm
    Inlägg
    6 422
    Medlem#
    8758
    I'm not sure how the KE-jetronic works, however, the 1200 rpm rings a bell - that's about the expected idle RPM if the idle air control valve is disconnected.
    9-5 2.3t SC 2000, 55000+ mil
    9000 CSE 2.3T -93
    9000 CSE 2.3t -96

Liknande ämnen

  1. Adjusting ignition timing 900i -88
    Av darwinland i forum International SAAB related talk
    Svar: 4
    Senaste inlägg: 2018-10-20, 16:35
  2. 900 2,3T E85 6-speed - På mappning.
    Av airflowfredde i forum Projekt
    Svar: 1853
    Senaste inlägg: 2015-06-12, 11:24
  3. Timing...
    Av Henrik93aero i forum Allmänt
    Svar: 1
    Senaste inlägg: 2014-11-05, 11:39
  4. Autobahn - Vad er din max speed?
    Av hel i forum Allmänt
    Svar: 5
    Senaste inlägg: 2006-08-03, 16:28
  5. Speed warning?
    Av glassguran i forum Ljud och elektricitet
    Svar: 24
    Senaste inlägg: 2006-03-17, 12:18

Behörigheter för att posta

  • Du får inte posta nya ämnen
  • Du får inte posta svar
  • Du får inte posta bifogade filer
  • Du får inte redigera dina inlägg
  •